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A racing battery odyssey!
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Saab C900 Viggenist
2008-06-20 21:16:17 UTC
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Pic at:

http://www.classicsaab.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.UpdatesAlbum&g2_albumId=7&g2_itemId=13072

I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!

Craig.
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Noddy
2008-06-20 23:48:29 UTC
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Post by Saab C900 Viggenist
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I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
It's a fucking *battery*. It cranks your engine and powers your electrical
accessories when the engine isn't running. You'd have to be some special
kind of stupid to pay the kind of money they want for the things.

Then again, you own a SAAB, so.....

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òlléy®
2008-06-21 00:21:48 UTC
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Post by Saab C900 Viggenist
http://www.classicsaab.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.UpdatesAlbum&g2_albumId=7&g2_itemId=13072
I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
It's a fucking *battery*. It cranks your engine and powers your electrical
accessories when the engine isn't running. You'd have to be some special
kind of stupid to pay the kind of money they want for the things.
Then again, you own a SAAB, so.....
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Noddy.
Those dry cell batteries are a rip off I had one previously and it lasted
barely 2 years, yesterday I bought a Century ultra high performance battery
($135.00) these are made by Yuasa (long history making reliable motorcycle
batteries) for Australian conditions and have a 2 year warranty so if it
fails at all in that time I get a new one free

regards
olley.
Dan--.
2008-06-21 00:38:01 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:16:17 +1000, Saab C900 Viggenist PCM code reading
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I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima
batteries that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
Yeah sump plugs gets raved on about too.
http://www.valiantspares.com.au/images/categories/Magnetic%20Sump%
20Plug.JPG
:-p
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Dan
599863331 599863331
2008-06-21 02:13:33 UTC
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I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima
batteries that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
Looks very nice. I like the yellow color scheme. Are you going to paint
the battery holder to match the colour of your new battery?

Regardless of how much the new battery improved the looks of your engine
bay, it would have been cheaper to change your sparkplugs or replace the
fuel pump check vulva. They are the usual cause of excessively long
cranking times.
Nate Nagel
2008-06-21 02:18:41 UTC
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I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima
batteries that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
Looks very nice. I like the yellow color scheme. Are you going to paint
the battery holder to match the colour of your new battery?
Regardless of how much the new battery improved the looks of your engine
bay, it would have been cheaper to change your sparkplugs or replace the
fuel pump check vulva. They are the usual cause of excessively long
cranking times.
pwned by spell check?

nate
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TT
2008-06-21 03:53:56 UTC
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Post by Saab C900 Viggenist
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I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
Craig.
I have owned and used these heaps of rubbish for about 7 years now in two
different boats and can unequivocally say I will never ever buy another one
again. The disadvantages far out weigh the advantages!

Yes they crank well, yes they hold charge, yes they are light. BUT they are
now unbelievably expensive, they do not last more than three years and they
fail without warning!

They are only suitable for short term Heavy duty use where cost is not an
issue - as the US Navy uses them in torpedos!

Cheers TT
David Z
2008-06-21 04:36:36 UTC
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Someone made an electric Honda people mover?
Post by Saab C900 Viggenist
http://www.classicsaab.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.UpdatesAlbum&g2_albumId=7&g2_itemId=13072
I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
Craig.
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RainbowWarrior
2008-06-21 07:24:01 UTC
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Post by Saab C900 Viggenist
http://www.classicsaab.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.UpdatesAlbum&g2_albumId=7&g2_itemId=13072
I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
Craig.
Cool, how many CCA does it pump out? And do they come in other colours?
I run a set 3x N70ZZ's, they have a CCA of 650 and 160minutes reserve each
too giving me 480minutes of reserve time.
They also dropped a whole 1/2 a second off my quarter mile time from 26.75
seconds to 26.25.
Scott Dorsey
2008-06-21 18:18:11 UTC
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Post by Saab C900 Viggenist
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I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
In a daily driver, I want a battery that will last forever. It doesn't
have to be the highest current density, it doesn't have to be the highest
cranking current, it just has to _always_ work when I need it. If it costs
ten times as much and lasts ten times as long, that's an overall win.

In a race car, I would be MUCH more concerned about what the battery does
when it's damaged, more than anything else. I don't care how reliable it
is, really. You can always carry a spare. What I care about is whether it
will explode or spray acid in an accident.

So what DOES the Optima or the PC-925 do if you chop it with an ax? Is it
a good failure or a bad failure?
--scott
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Saab C900 Viggenist
2008-06-22 07:50:48 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
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http://www.classicsaab.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.UpdatesAlbum&g2_albumId=7&g2_itemId=13072
I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
In a daily driver, I want a battery that will last forever. It doesn't
have to be the highest current density, it doesn't have to be the highest
cranking current, it just has to _always_ work when I need it. If it costs
ten times as much and lasts ten times as long, that's an overall win.
I agree - and one of the reasons I opted for an AGM style battery instead of
a standard liquid-electrolyte unsealed lead-acid battery. When I first
started investigating I looked at a lot of choices - not just the
name-branded products from Odyssey and Optima.
Post by Scott Dorsey
In a race car, I would be MUCH more concerned about what the battery does
when it's damaged, more than anything else. I don't care how reliable it
is, really. You can always carry a spare. What I care about is whether it
will explode or spray acid in an accident.
That's a very good point, and it's one reason I wanted a battery with an
integral metal jacket (as explained more below).
Post by Scott Dorsey
So what DOES the Optima or the PC-925 do if you chop it with an ax? Is it
a good failure or a bad failure?
I can only speak from personal experience (in my own cars) with Odyssey's.
They are not standard lead-acid batteries (ie. 'wet') with a liquid
electrolyte, and the versions supplied with a metal jacket would have a lot
better protection from something impacting on the sides compared to any
bog-standard lead-acid battery which has nothing to protect the plastic
casing from impact, radiant heat, etc.

I have never tried chopping any sort of energy storage cell with an axe -
that would be a Bad Thing no matter what type of device was involved as it's
an incredibly risky exercise for the user of the axe! 8-)

I have the PC-925 in my 81 turbo Saab mounted on it's side to keep the
battery as far away from the turbo's cast-steel exhaust elbow as I can (I am
still using the standard Saab battery heatshield with a piece of
fibro-cement behind that to protect the bottom of the battery), and I've
crated a special bracket to space the top face of the battery spaced away from the
side of the engine bay enough so the battery terminals won't be able to
touch the car body metalwork.

If you want to see what I did, there are some pics of the work at:

http://www.classicsaab.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=5481&g2_page=4

The PC-680 is not in a car at the moment but I did for a while have it in
one of my other Saab c900's and it works fine as a starting battery though
it's capacity is of course less than the PC-925.

Craig.
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Daryl Walford
2008-06-22 09:55:31 UTC
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http://www.classicsaab.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=dynamicalbum.UpdatesAlbum&g2_albumId=7&g2_itemId=13072
I'm also using a PC-925 (installed in my 81 turbo Saab) and I highly
recommend it - they're a gazillion times better than the Optima batteries
that get raved about so much. IMHO anyway!
In a daily driver, I want a battery that will last forever. It doesn't
have to be the highest current density, it doesn't have to be the highest
cranking current, it just has to _always_ work when I need it. If it costs
ten times as much and lasts ten times as long, that's an overall win.
In a race car, I would be MUCH more concerned about what the battery does
when it's damaged, more than anything else. I don't care how reliable it
is, really. You can always carry a spare. What I care about is whether it
will explode or spray acid in an accident.
So what DOES the Optima or the PC-925 do if you chop it with an ax? Is it
a good failure or a bad failure?
I don't know how they perform in a crash but I was at Sandown Race track
today and I didn't see a single race car that wasn't using that type of
battery.


Daryl

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